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Transcript: Witches' Symposium 09： The Apocalypse
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Hello beautiful people and welcome to the witches Symposium I'm your Hostess Snappy and I'm joined today by our special guests Dr Amin from ladybabylon and Neil Gnostic informant and as well as our good friend and co-host gun cretch Dion is going to be joining us shortly he's just uh stuck in LA traffic so we wish him all the best but he'll be here in a little bit right so this could be a fun episode today I'm really excited for this one we want to dig into
The Apocalypse Now what's so exciting about this is this is kind of the Cornerstone of a lot of ammon's work and where he's going with his second book on the orphic Vox and he makes a lot of radical claims at least to those who are not familiar with this imagery the orphic imagery so first I want us to talk about kind of like the general consensus what's going on with the apocalypse and what a lot of Scholars want to present to us so I know Neil
You're incredibly like you know familiar with that scholarly approach so what is like the general consensus of what's going on in the book and then we'll have Ammon come in with his orphic image just to give like the the overview of what the consensus what most people think because I'm a little oh I I Stray From the consensus on a lot of stuff when it comes to this text but we'll get into that later I'll just give you what the rundown is what most people say if text opens up with the letters to the seven churches
Goes through all these different archetypes good Christians middle Christians bad Christians that stuff that type of stuff and then you start getting into uh you know these these fulfilled prophecies that are drawing from like Zechariah with the four horsemen Daniel with all the Daniel number [\\h__\\h] so so then the next the next uh the next like section of the text is trying to like fulfill all that stuff and try to like connect to the text and then you get obviously you get the the birth of the Beast 666 the birth of the Divine Child
The woman clothed with the son who has 12 stars and you know you get all this imagery of all these different archetypal characters that pop in this you get the Antichrist the b66 which most people agree is Nero and uh so the reason why they say that is because Nero who's the Beast is one of the Caesars and this text is basically saying that the the line of Caesar you have seven Kings it starts from Augustus it ends with um Titus and that's because they leave
Out the three Rebel Kings which is galba um vitalius and uh what's his other what's the other one um oh though sorry those three kings that all are those three Emperors all are from the year of the four Emperors that was in 69 when Nero got killed and then three Emperors kill each other within a few months and then uh they proclaimed Vespasian who was already in Israel they could proclaimed him the emperor so then you later on you get these texts that are connected to Revelation like suetonius
For example you get Josephus for example and they're all talking about this whole star in the east thing that oh they were talking about the Messiah supposed to be the star from the East well if guess what Vespasian he was in the East when the when they proclaimed him uh Emperor so he's the Messiah so it's actually in suetonius they actually write this weird thing about like I wanted to ask you guys because okay most scholars believe right the apocalypse is written under domitian right but yeah but but Nero
Dies in like 60 like you said right the mission isn't it what like 90. right so yeah the mission Comes This is what they're waiting for zero to be Associated this is written after the mission this is written in the same period because those that's a pagan those are the pagans saying that uh Vespasian is the prophecied one the Christians aren't saying that though the Christians are saying that the line of Caesars plus like any Caesar in Rome is the Beast Rome is called Babylon this text
So the lady Babylon 666 is basically the uh embodiment of this of this you know Antichrist yeah yeah and Rome is the Antichrist kind of so you get a seven year war right you get seven year war it's broken up into two three and a half uh sections the three and a halfs and then there's like a the if you line it up it actually it's As Above So Below thing where the war it happened was seven years but there's also a war on Earth for seven
Years which was the Roman Judean Wars where three and after three and a half years from 66 to 69 Jerusalem falls in seventy and then three three and a half years later Masada Falls in 74. so they're lining this war on the on Earth up with a war that happens in heaven between Michael and the devil and so after that happens you it basically says like Jesus comes back uh and they're you know their people are whatever some people think there's a Rapture in there there really isn't a Rapture in there but uh
And yeah that's basically the text Jesus comes back and says I'm the morning star and I'm about to kill everybody so you know make sure you gotta make sure you got the mark on your forehead or you know whoever whoever's written in the Lamb's Book of Life gets to be part of this Divine marriage ceremony that we're about to have so then it gets in all that stuff for sure so the key things they want to put that Scholars put forward that Ammon is challenging is number one these images of Israel as she
Who is clothed in sunlight the [\\h__\\h] of Babylon is Rome and this whole idea of this kind of political thing what what you're kind of arguing at least in that last episode I mentioned season one episode six of satanic initiation is that you're putting forward that this is a orific ritual you know that's being signaled here and that's the main like image of the Mist you want to talk about that Ammon sure so I don't see any of that argument or any of that ideas and what is representing what I don't give them
Anything for that kind of stuff I'm looking at just the text so what I can give you is what I can lift just from that Greek and it is full it is full of the most beautiful drug using sex cult mystery stuff you've
Ever seen it really is yeah it's full of it full of it the chapter that you were referencing that Neil talked about that chapter on that woman my God man that's the one of the dirtiest chapters in the Bible you realize what he's doing to her in the end right this dragon and you're sitting there because you've been smoking symbolism you're sitting
There thinking this is the Church of Protestants oh it's the Catholic church and it's Circle jerkery yeah what's actually happening in the text is what we should be concerned about what is the what does it say in that 12th chapter about her how does this Dragon do you know what a dragon is a dragon's a dude get your mind out of the freaking fairy tale a dragon is a dude specifically a dude attached with a temple or a sacred area in order to act as a guardian it's usually to some kind
Of Relic something that the curios doesn't want other people to get access to you hear Satan do you hear Eve do you hear the garden where the curios that's what the Greeks call them from the beginning before there was a test was Gramatan
Was called curios yeah fantastic so
Let's should we should we look at some of the actual texts should we just jump in yeah so bring it up academic stuff Neil does that stuff make you sick to I mean is it like gagging down when you're talking when you're talking to a monster it's basically a whole new genre in itself where it where we can take break down the English text and and then the last 1500 years of what these were what this text means now has changed the original context in the Greek you can only understand by understanding the Greek World in which
John whoever's writing this is operating within we read it today we have no idea what it means read it in the actual context all of a sudden it makes sense you know what I'm saying Neil is studying Neil is studying ancient Greek with me and yesterday we spent an hour working on nonus and um blowing mind-blowing results book six
Man yeah listen plug it Neil plug book six you're reading book six and we're it's just there's so much impaltic imagery and layers happening with Lucifer and the yosphorus and and you got the four wins you got ashraeus the Virgin riding a dragon it's all in there it's all in it's all in Oneness donus breaks it all down what it all means it seems like nonis has everything it's like every archetypical Pagan Mediterranean image is somehow embedded in that text how that how that dude ever got
Published at his time how he ever got that accepted is I bet he had to do things in the church that most of us would would look down upon because the sources tell us the Christian stuff should have gotten published yeah that's what I I always wondered if he actually did uh convert he might have politic but I think if he did probably some political reasons I don't I don't see anyone becoming a master of the homeric prose language who you know in that kind of way to recreate
It yeah and be a full Christian you know maybe a public Christian well it wouldn't surprise me if the church embellished later on and said oh noness converted before he died because he's such a great uh writer that they want to claim him why wouldn't they they do that all the time yeah well I mean if he converted it's because he recognized the dionysian mysteries in Christianity and was initiated that way so I think that's what he wasn't that's what his paraphrase on John is about how
There's like vodka imagery in there yeah and it's a great text and nobody out there all you Scholars who were ignoring all this stuff shame on you right right so we'll read the first couple lines here it says and a sign great appeared in heaven a woman clothed with the Sun and the Moon Under the feet of her and on the head of her a crown of stars 12 and in the womb having and she cries out being in travail and being in pain to bring forth okay what's going on here Emin
I'm smelling a seminary just I'm sorry but you put me in you put me into PTSD mode with that did you did ever did everybody hear did everybody hear that Interlinear very very literal
Translation right that's what seminarians learn they learn kind of a one-to-one thing without learning the science of the language and what the language is doing so that's what I would used to hear in a seminary until I kick things up and brought in students some from all over the place by yelling and shouting and abusing them in the ways of classical philology it's a lot of sweat and a lot of blood that's why I call my place the dojo you know because you're gonna work out
Look at Neil he's reading the he's reading the uh notice right now to the to the girl on the dragon and to the to the dragon back to the actual language itself okay I'm going to stop you if there's something that needs to be located but please keep reading this is great let's keep going all right okay and was seen another sign in heaven and behold a dragon red great having had seven and horns ten and upon the heads of him seven Royal Crowns and the tale of him drags a third of the stars of heaven and he cast them to the
Earth and the dragon stands before the woman being about to bring forth so that when she bring forth the child of her he might devour okay okay let's stop there with the eating of the babies right let's stop there with eating that's a great place to stop it's by the way if you've never tried it so first I want to ask before we get too deep there's something that immediately strikes me about both the image of the [\\h__\\h] Babylon and she was clothed in Starlight they seem like the same person
If we're going through that Pagan lens they seem like this is Medea samaramus right it's that Goddess Diana figure in both in both aspects is this one person or two first off yeah is this that one ARA dewa that we know was foretold to come to be the sotera to take on human form right they would call that Incarnation her place of bringing salvation this is the daughter
Of the great shining bringer of dawn which everybody who hears those terms knows Neil what is dawn eels yeah what is that what is that Dawn represent oh that's the that's the most psychedelic time of the of the of of the 24-hour period it's the it's the it's the time where it's basically the time where uh the portals opened up between the Knicks and day it's the time it's it's right it's it's it's the most holiest time of the day and where is and Neil and Neil where is what is the state
Of your genitalia at that time of Desire raging
That's what it's supposed to be right he's about to incorporate John even the Christians even the Christians in in the text of playing the younger says they get up at dawn every morning and sing hymns to the Morning Star okay so this is all of a sudden sounding exactly like I mean exactly like the myths of kyberley and Addison the meals that they were doing that Alexander was Clement of Alexandria is yelling about and and others you know it's a big Corporation too same part of the same
Place which is hilarious yeah look at the look at the geography where are all these churches this is being written to right next door to the phrygian mother bro Ryan love it you know but what's Wild when you read all that stuff like uh by Clement of Alexandria he's also like he talks about how stupid the mystery is and he exposes the mystery right he re he says that the mystery isn't even a secret and he talks about he has these words the the drum the tempanon oh yeah
And then there was one war the kernos the way he describes it makes it seems like he likes like you could tell he's into it because he he goes on for like seven pages you're talking about his uh exhortation of the Greeks right why would you put the actual passcodes in the text if you were trying to reveal it you don't care he's a Christian no but it's like partially it's profaning it but partially he's explaining it too it's really kind of weird right you know
Most most people wouldn't say that they wouldn't write that down because that's supposed to be no knowledge it's supposed to be secret knowledge but the fact that Clement even knows all this stuff tells you he was part he was in that he was a dirty cultist himself and then he got old and then he was has been and now he's pretending to tell on them yeah I don't care about that stuff anymore that's what he's basically doing that's Clement for you
What about that girl in 12. we got to get back to that we got to get to that text Okay so yeah what is going on um Ammon with the uh why okay so if you're giving birth to a savior why does the dragon Devour the Savior and like and all again this imagery keeps invoking other images to me like this screams to me um the story of Medea right and how she sacred like in one version of The Myth you told me the dragon comes and blows
Up her children right at the end of the story no I don't have the blows up the children or they're like don't they like the children get killed or something in her fire though
Um no no the the uh besides the her sacrifices which they say the Corinthians made up um and then you know they had all the stuff with the Oracle making a big deal about it and saying you got to rectify this you lied about Medea beside that no the dragon doesn't kill any children the dragon shows up you're probably thinking at the wedding when the iosan right when the Jesus has entered into a union that broke his oath with her so he had to burn up the dragon shows up then these
Pyromaniac dragons right and he's the one who escorts her away right Dragon he's got all the explosive stuff well there seems to be this what I what I'm trying to connect here I want to keep noticing and maybe even Rhett you could talk on this is there seems to be this primordial kind of myth of this virgin who gets born and then gets sacrificed you know and uh in some versions you you go back up to heaven and you become deified in other versions you go back
Into the into the Earth and you gain like control over the Earth you know I I don't know it's it's kind of it's related to the Mysteries because of the Mysteries you have the divine child who gets killed you know you have Bacchus the child who is torn apart by the Titans you have Horus getting killed and as soon as he's born uh you have you know like you just mentioned yes people don't talk about yasi on enough but Yasin is all over the place he's well
Sourced it's not just like one little fragment all these ancient people are mentioning this so it has to be a big deal they all say it yasios and the Thrice plowed field which is fall time threat you plow the three you plow your field three times a year three big plows the third time is fall he lays with Demeter and then he dies it's either the it's either the dragon or the lightning which is they're synonymous with each other it's the same thing it's that like power you
Know what I mean and uh he dies and the mourning over his death but he gave but before he died he laid with Demeter so what does he do he gets her pregnant for nine months and that's the nine month period between winter and summer
But technically that was Zeus's fault right that's his lightning that he's using there yeah you know what I mean I mean it's his you know come on man you had to give him that place yeah
Now the fact is how do you bring that down to Earth because you just catapulted yourself way into the myth right what are these states talking about what is it what does this even mean when someone enters into the state I went into the edemon and I saw something right where is this girl notice that we want to Define her we want to say who is she who who is the dragon who's so interested in her you know what it says he's got scythian hair you said he's a red dragon and he's got
Wings and he looks like Gandalf right no no this is a dude thank anthropology turn yourself to answer tune yourself to anthropology well I think it's a dude and he's got what has he got he's got scythian hair they use the specific color that they themselves call the scythian fire color yeah he's a scythian dragon which makes sense from where his his Grove of Aries is right it all makes sense this is history this is not uh somebody writing this down so they can sell it and make some profit
Right this is not that right that's why I decided never write books again right okay fantastic but you gave us your proposal for your second book in that episode I referenced I want that second book admin where you explain the orphic Box they already told me at the Set uh what it may now be the first the largest press in the world uh MacMillan but it was like two or three last time I checked um they they said uh no absolutely no our audience cannot
Um take a discussion of Jesus and a naked boy they can't they can't it'll kill them to look at that material right they were honest with you about it you need to go to one of those private presses or those more more specialized presses something that that that does um occult or Neil Pagan stuff there's a massive audience you can just put it on Amazon self-publish can you use your YouTube channel and just tell people about it how about we just put it on YouTube
And let the whole universe the whole universe get it for free because we we ain't got no greed and that's what idea is all about right Neil and I were just going over the derivation of her name it comes from Ara or array
Val their length can change and dewa or Dia as we see come through the Etruscan side this is like old Pulaski and stuff handed down that we see in the Etruscans and it's got a title it's got a title that diwa is the old Mycenaean diwanasa
The Daya wanasa the wanasa is like um the you want to say queen that's about the best image that it strikes it's the woman who runs everything and who can kill you and who has all the knowledge in society is doing all the building that's the one I saw these are Bronze Age Bronze Age peoples so that brings me to that I emailed you about this where I had uh in your last episode you were talking about the the story of lot and his daughters and that's when it finally
Clicked to me that is the same image that we see scene apocalypse and it's the same image that we see with Cersei and with Medea and it's the same image that we see in the gospel of Aradia or the gospel of witches that Charles Leland is writing about you know and what's wild about Leland and why I wanted to bring him is that he doesn't just call her Aradia he calls her herodias and so that connects us back to the Bible into the biblical image into the figure of Salome who is also called
Herodias so what I'm wondering is apocalypse like you just said is this not a history talking about the right that was done to Christ to Jesus that Salome is orchestrating you know in order to sacrifice him those words come from the same root the arai are the curses right our race is the force of compulsion through War what we call war and Heda which her her name is all the time fudged um guess that wrongly but it's using the same root and again is a force that pushes away it is a Defender and um that's why this special the very the
Very document that started all of this mystery through the medwa through Medea is hanging there this song is hanging there in a tree guarded by a red-headed Dragon who's one of the scythian one of the scythian Dragons this guy's all full of poisons and noses poisons and you can't get within an inch of that thing this is Eden yes it is the same right it
Is one mystery which is so wild because that means the mystery goes in two directions okay the mystery can either bring you back to the stars or can draw down the stars to earth right and then one is is this is what I want to get your perspective because I'm trying to understand this because some you know it's seen as horrific and want to bring stuff down and it's seen as positive to bring stuff up but I don't know if that's necessarily true either what's going on with this it's kind of it's
I'm not sure devil's daughter man you talking about the devil's daughter and I think this is what makes modern people who look at Leland and go ew um it's a reaction to something very very um irrationally visceral
Um she is the curse the devil's daughter is the curse she's the one who comes in she's portrayed as that Fury that Fury that Bane her name means the bane of Diana the bane of Diana so it's uh her cleansing remember what is it what does she do this all for what is the savior do this all for this aradewa what does she do this all for because human beings have enslaved other
Human beings they've taken all of the goods they have all of the wealth and they have enslaved others there are a lot of us who are enslaved what is the savior she's the one who comes and frees us brings us that true bakic
Freedom right I'm getting high on the Mountainside and I'm coming in a group and we're gonna brush down your civilization and build up a free one right that's aradeva yeah and a lot of this also really reminds me of a lot of the stuff we see in Indian traditions in Hinduism and this idea about the rejection of Eros and matter so like in the Indian tradition they make this understanding almost that creation is predicated upon that desire desire
Itself is what causes us to descend into matter and it perpetuates the cycle forward it causes all this pain and suffering right so then you have to have this rejection of matter in order to return back to the one that's clearly what's going on in the rights of Addis that's clearly one aspect of this image but there's the other the reverse what you were just talking about the setting free of the bonds the resetting of the polls but it's there's also an establishment of a new lineage a new cycle that will begin
Again right and there's a new tyranny that kind of comes as a result in the polls inevitably have to be flipped again so fundamentally eventually there has to be a fundamental rejection of matter from everything isn't that you know in a return to this one it's kind of isn't it a trap then to to face in this Vision I don't know you see where the gnostics we're getting at now right that's it you just mentioned you just brought you just like walked the gnosticism right there
Well this is where it all connects right because I think that what we're seeing is that in in Peg you have that polythronose it's a duality both are true right and it's like this also it's that inevitability of the cycle too because if you let the cycle of of uh of these tyrannies play out eventually it's going to return to the one anyway you know so either go Kicking and Screaming or you go of your own accord yeah that wisdom that wisdom that Sophia always pervades through the chaos
So you'll have like you have a chaos you have War Trojan work goes down both sides get messed up but out of that chaos becomes a brand new civilization that the Hellenistic world like you know what I mean like so wisdom Justice all these traits of the the image of the the Virgin with the the spear in her hand and the shield in her other hand with a helmet on that's simple you know what I mean yeah and I keep thinking about like we're looking at this image of the Apocalypse what does the apocalypse
Accomplish it does two things it dethrones the mother which was the main god of the Romans since 200 and what like eight CES when they brought her from pergamon or something like that two or four you know so for most of Rome's history the mother is their central figure you know so she gets dethroned and and relegated patriarchy rules and Rome also falls right and a new order is born a masculine order right is that is that what we're seeing is that what Salome herodias accomplishes with her
Right what happened that's exactly what happened wasn't it just a few you years after the adoption of the phrygian mother was it a couple children mother and immediately beat the carthaginians and then the macedonians right after that did they have them they went from being a little baby on the Mediterranean to within within 20 years the biggest thing on the Block yeah controlling everything
Correctly they got her correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't it like 184 186 where they have the problem with the Bacchus and there's 186. conspiracy
BEC all the conservative all the Etruscan families were like we don't like the green stuff we don't like Bacchus
And it lasted for like 10 20 years maybe and then they just seek right back into the civilization again like they couldn't you can't hold you can't hold back Hellenism it's too it's it's the it's it's like a force it's like a magic force that just shreds nothing you can do about it well this is another interesting thing because Emma you were showing me all this stuff that makes me think that you know helenism persists because of the the the what happened with the Oracle of Delphi and building the Mitch
Room you know they built the museum to maintain their philosophy and even though their empire fell right as a result of their persecuting of the weak right like if Julian tells us why why does the Empire of Greece fall they persecute the most vulnerable right they persecute the the uh the the people who worship the mother and then that results in them falling but the Greeks they do one thing that's they build a museum in order to maintain that knowledge right that's why Pythagoras was like giving
Advice on somebody putting down a colony and said yeah you should first number one thing you do when you get there build a temple to the museum yeah start start with that you know what I mean yeah it seems like that's the only way to survive or to persist through the cycles right that's the first thing in this golden versions I think too honor the muse you know not all of Hellenism could survive but in aspects of it could survive because of that magic you know
Yeah sorry go ahead I was just gonna say it seems to me like during the Roman era after the fall of the Republic those who wanted to bring back the republic or some form of democracy would have been very Hellenistic rather than uh
Following this Imperial I mean not that the Romans liked Kings either but so there was a whole culture war going on to uh normalize the emperor and the kingship and it would have been directly opposed to these dionysian Hellenistic democracy type culture and you know we can also see just the other day I found another example of say Spartacus and his wife were Thracians who worship Dionysus it was he played a major role in the Rebellion she was a prophetess and he used to sleep with a snake on his face
According to a Plutarch there so there's definitely some weird she was an oracle so this was uh an ongoing thing even within Rome there was different factions and cultures battling out according to how conservative they were or how monarchist they were the god of Freedom you know these are the kinds of people that are the kinds of gods that the pro-republic type would have been worshiping and so the aristocrats had to co-opt it in order to normalize their
Aristocracy or their imperialism so then what I'm trying to understand too with this is where is this reaction to the paganism coming from who are these men who want to overthrow and assert their own order like Niels talked about this a bunch with his thoughts about Plato you know but I'm thinking it may it probably actually comes from the zoroastrians what does anyone else think about this well because play if you read Plato he's he seems to be adopting some
Zoroastrianism is but platonism is his own thing too but you see a lot of zoroastery elements in there and he's trying to re he's trying to rewrite the myths of Homer and hessia for a more platonic uh theological Puritan you know
Uh The Good the good go to heaven the bad suffer type of type of uh theology you know what I mean yeah they take this black and white kind of reduction you know like the central theme of like the pagans even though they have like the mother God everything comes from the mother there is many right there are many many many versions of things but the zoroastrians they bring in that strict dualism right versus wrong black versus white male versus female right yeah the zoroastrians also seem to be the origin
Of this whole concept of the Apocalypse or the end of time in general so the Jews are taking it influence but the Christians are also getting influence from the zoroastrians from the Jews and directly so you get a whole chapter about the end of times in the gothis this hymns and they have and the Messiah as well is a very um yeah all that you get all the same elements
But there seems to be right like one of the wild things about the last few episodes that Ammon you've been doing on your stream and it's leading me to all of these the you know speculations but you know if the Hebrew is not what it is claimed to be if it is clearly you know a conlang that is perpetrated by an elite class in order to to invert the Pagan Mysteries to to create a new political order right where is this coming from you know where is this this this this this this patriarchal
Authority right um how does that you know in like I think it gets passed down I think it's passed down by the ptolemies because I think the ptolemies are starting it they want this towel me up top King type of order you know he's he's a pharaoh you know don't don't forget it these are pharaohs and so they're implementing this Universal religion of serapis and they're using the writings of Plato they have the Alexandria library all the Nerds are there so you this you're getting it right from there and when the Romans conquer the East when palmy does
Its thing and Caesar does his thing and they all they they take all that stuff and they continue it under the Roman uh Imperial cult right there does seem to be a a a Confluence of violence that happens in Alexandria you know like all of the Christian reactionaries are coming from there as well right yeah
And Jewish orphism is Big there and yeah yeah they're arguing over who who came first was it Orpheus or Moses and all the orifics are like it's in the text just read the text or Orpheus is the one who fathered Muse and all the other people all these new uh Jewish orphics are like well we've we just found a text that was written yesterday that says Moses was first they had this back and forth thing going one thing I want to ask Dion is because I know you're so familiar with the Egyptian that's also coming out of this
Area right and we talked a lot about these um you know the Pharaohs becoming the Divine figure this divine right of kings and that whole masculine image with um akhenat and do you want to talk about that also thanks for joining you know I caught you guys on an spqr moment it seems yeah um we're talking about elitism royalty and do does the average person know how to read and write if we go back even 100 years ago could the average person read or write and let's go back a thousand years ago
And you think they can read them right priest class Reading Writing Kings but you say pharaohs the Pharaohs are originally women so to subvert that you have the the masculine change there you know and talking about the Persian Empire I think it went on 2 000 years they had a long Empire there I don't know if that's a long time yeah one of their Empires 200 years not I wouldn't say two thousand two thousand years I guess it's a long time but I know there's a for the persons you get
The Assyrians the Babylonians the Sumerians the acadians also the parthians you're talking about that part of the world has a dominant force is that what you're saying right yeah and that's why 2000 years is like a whole stretch that's going from there to now sure but if we go back even further they've had a run in that area of royalty yeah with Sumerian
Everything and even we were talking with a Persian lady the other day uh she was talking to my friend and she was talking about zahatrustra not zaraster the the way she said it zoroaster is Greek Zara thrustra is the Persian way yeah and the the text is the Vesta the Zenda Vesta and it's like and it's fire they want to purify what's bad that's the main thing it's it's a masculinity that wants to purify the paganess yeah it's a purity religion it really is you know the whole
Chapter in the zene Vesta about your fingernails and your hair cannot be if your falls off your finger you're D you defiled your home yeah if it's out of your home and you have to burn it in the Eternal fire and after the after the apocalypse the zoroastrians teach that yeah the aristocrats well there'll be a resurrection of the Dead just like in Judaism and Christianity and then the good Aristocrats after the judgment will get to rule for eternity Over The Peasants and the hierarchy will be uh cemented for eternity so this is why they're
Motivated to try to attain glory in battle and and it's uh almost for the final apocalyptic about it because they want to be in on the winning team for all eternity right and rule over the peasants but that's why Rome is called Babylon because to what Dion was saying whether it's the Persians the Assyrians who wouldn't matter who it was Sumerians I don't care Canadians Chaldeans that seat of power for a long time was Babylon Alexander when he conquered where did he sit down before he died Babylon Babylon was the seat of power and then Rome became the next seed
Of power and that's why Rome took the title of Babylon if you're going to be the seat of power you got your Babylon that's why a lot of people say yeah America's Babylon now that's what they say because it's the seat of power yeah there's a lot of people who want to be king of the world so it ties in with Nimrod type symbolism as well and then we get this kind of thing in the Gnostic book of Baruch according to Justin it's in uh what is it it's either iron Ace or I think it's hippolytus and uh we get
These archon type figures like Babel and another Nas and these are women archons and it all boils down to the reunification of Heaven and Earth and the masculine Sky father and the Earthly mother and inseminating her with meteorites it seems it always goes back to the old orphic Pulaski and theogony that's the that's the that's the skeleton in every single text yeah
Yeah right and it's always that image of that mother who then splits herself into two the Sun and the Moon and then the Sun and the Moon having that incestuous relationship in order to produce all of matter and material and it all goes back to that fundamental taboo and we see this image being repeated again and again and again right like yeah and there's a lot of work but but that story there's a lot of Romans Aristocrats who wanted to be like Alexander and become the king of the world as well or become
Worshiped as a god not that you know Alexander tried it but it wasn't very popular so they had to figure out a better way it seems like Cleopatra was putting ideas into his Caesar's head about being like real quick or even pharmacia they're drugging him probably you mentioned the factions between people the dionysians and the Apollos and the like when when it was when it was down to Anthony and Augustus who was octaving the time as vowing for power of who's going to be the next who's going to be the first
Emperor they're both calling themselves imperator by the way people don't a lot of people don't know that Mark Anthony said I'm the imperator and and then Octavian obviously is the Imperial first Imperial everyone knows that but uh Octavian didn't like dionysian worship because that was Anthony's thing Anthony ruled that priesthood he was they thought he would call himself Dionysus and um the Augustus cult was very luciferian very apollonian there are
There are sons of Venus like they were all from that descendant of the Julia claudian but you're right you have these factions the dionysian and the apollonian sides of the Roman Empire well it's also that gives us their polythronose image that's that image we keep seeing the duality of she who is clothed in the sun and the [\\h__\\h] of Babylon right it's it's two sides of the same coin
Can I just interject um I want to see the semen from the dragon right because in verse 17 in this dirty dirty dirty Bible it says the Dragon origed under her power the dragon entered the organ do you have that text to pull up real quick I'm looking at it I'm looking at it right now love it it's verse 17. verse 17.
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Yeah don't bring up that shite Interlinear
Bring up just the Greek text yes look at it you grab it Neil and um you grab it all right if you know where it is what chapter and verse is it
Just look up on Bible Hub Everybody by the way all the evangelicals the Bible Hub who set that up everybody from satanic initiation at least on my end says thank you so much it's great for you it makes it so much better than flipping Pages you know right right right oh you got your you got your aronoi right there oh God no no you gotta uh I'm gonna be in the wrong verse yeah no no no that's wait which one you said it was 12 17. okay bring up the Greek text click on the Greek text but this is a Greek text no that's the
Interlinear crap Oh I thought you told me to pull this one up no guys nobody should be using I don't use Bible Hub I don't know how to use it no well you need to use Bible the taxes are good right just wondering which one is it what's this oh I think lettering through 12. yeah that'll work all right okay 17. here we go that's an inelegant version there I'll read my yeah so um look at that first verse in 17.
I'm just gonna be very careful with the words here I'm going to be a good classical philologist and I'm going to render them as accurately as possible that verb orig
Means to come to the point of bursting and rage in a moment to be in a moment of bursting it is that seder when this when the dawn has arrived that they call that Dawn uh Neil remembers this you can back this up they call her desire desire and she comes in when she comes in you have that raging seder that is ready to explode this is where the term orgizo to practice that right to enter
Into the rage and they call it the Rage of pan right this is a sexual rage this is not a pan is what pan walks around with an erection right he's and he has intercourse right he chases what is what is pan called in Greek he's called the Chaser of the nymphs he's the nymph Chaser wow that's when his name praise to God nymph chaser does it also
Mean like the all so isn't there that experience of the all with pan as well or yes and they're that that all is the panicos right we call it Panic that's why he's the image of the devil for Christianity yeah Bingo that's Bingo yo he's the he's the image of of the of the Mysteries he's he's got the horns he's got he's the Raging boner he's raging it looks like he's not stare like he's going dude that's the all yeah well he represents that that orgy that Feast
Right that we see in all of these rights and that's the part that the Christians had the most trouble with they don't want to look at it yet they want to hide in the catacombs and do it themselves yeah yeah and they're and I'll just get one more punch and then shut up and their Greek sucks because Epi the preposition was with the dative um Can represent being under the capacity or having the capacity through another person to do something under the control of so under her power
He births he enters into that ecstatic
Rage right and remember we're on the citarian so that thing doesn't go away so this is a special special moment it's the harvesting does anybody see their harvesting seed again did you wonder why we're in Sodom did you wonder why we're invoking Cain in the Aradia why would you talk about Cain if you were a Greek and you heard Cain with this invocation that's in the Aradia you would hear the name of that old man in the sea nerius who transforms and we hold him down and he transforms Into his different shapes and when he's done when he's exhausted then he tells us the future
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That's such a wild image because that screens to me the inverse of Addis you have an old man versus a young man right and the young man is coming out of the waters and then you have the old man going into the waters and get this the Saturn is Raging
He's the the um Addis is a uh is a um what do you call it what do you call the priesthood uh eunuch it's the they have the opposite um they have the opposite sort of uh spirit going on do you understand what I'm saying like one of them is right they're doing the Divine imitation of the minds right giant balls the other one has no like and but there's a reason why it's like that that's the that's like the like I'm uh not to use Chinese imagery but like
It's like a yin and yang thing it's like you have your two opposite sides but you know what's fun to do with eunuchs who cannot spread seed you can give them a drug to give them an erection and you can um have your way you remember in our idea what do they do they turn the lights out right they knock the candles down and everybody goes at it everybody takes their clothes off and everybody goes at it while they're in a state of this frenzy this bakkick panic
Right so that's the Holy Spirit and the Christians the early Christians are accused of doing this the earliest Christians are accused of doing this it says they tie a dog to the source of light the lamp and then at a certain time in the service they somebody calls the dog from outside the lamp Falls over and that's the signal everybody takes their clothes off and has intercourse with each other remember if there are eunuchs there are eunuchs here at these parties right some are made eunuchs for the kingdom of Heaven's Sake and they're
Here at the party right there's a lot of stuff going on if you're going to engage and become christed you're going to have to go in deep this is the reality and this is why nobody understands the dragon in the apocalypse because they're looking at it through they fairy tale lens I'm sorry I'll stop
Now it's wild it's wild to think about right because like what I'm trying to to grasp with all of this kind of stuff is like what's going because there's this you know there's that duality of this image right you know so what I'm wondering is what happens what happened with the Christ was he deified did Jesus become you know a god did he get to ascend to the throne of uranos you know like because that may have happened but what clearly happened is he upset the political order and a new one was instituted right and this at this massive ritual right you know
You could almost say he got the same fate as Orpheus who on the last day of his life he ignored he because okay Orpheus he's the son of Apollo but he's also the high priest of Dionysus so he serves Dionysus and according to if you put if you put these texts together you take Ovid and put next to the fragments it has to yeah but next to this put him together and you start to get like a a picture of what happened he ignores the he ignores
The priesthood and uh neglects the priesthood of Dionysus and he goes to the Thracians and he takes on the thracian pirate rights of plucking the young boy's plung of manhood before they come of age this is in the text I'm not making this up and then so what happens Dionysus says that's it he's crossed the line he's profane the Mysteries and he sends his main ads to go kill him in the same sense Jesus is going Buckwild he's in the he's in the garden with the boy
Doing his pirate Mysteries racing pirate Mysteries he crossed the line the next day he gets crucified what does it say in the talmud he was he was practicing sorcery and leading people astray
I definitely see what you're saying but there's also the so is what the Christians presenting a complete lie then because it almost seems like there's that reverse to that image where he's one of these Gally who's doing the rights of the mother in the rejection and of imitation you think they think yeah he performed the ultimate mystery of death and rebirth because because that's what the Mysteries are you you die and re become reborn you when you get initiated you're dead that you take the kaiki on you die you have ego death
And then you're reborn and then you have eternal life aonic life yeah praise God praise God it's the firstborn of the Dead exactly right they think they think his death was the ultimate mystery sacrifice that's why they say Christ is the mystery you know but we do we we do have the myth of Addis though who does achieve this ascendancy right we're you know by imitating the mother it's all sacrificed he does achieve a puppy right you know when he does it through the goddess who deifies him who
Brings him up he does it the Addis does it the right way you know what I mean so then this comes back to this idea that we see in all of these images again with the spurning of the Goddess right yes and Jason what does he do is that he refuses to be changed by the goddess he decides he doesn't like her methodology and then that destroys him right and this is a constant theme we see with all of these hero figures you either allow the goddess to transform you you become
One of her pigs or you become something else you know or you manage to escape the violence through the the grace of Hermes or something you know but either you're transformed or you're destroyed usually right it seems like Jesus was not transformed he was utterly destroyed
Orpheus a good figure it's already oh well I was going to derail the topic for a minute to let you know that today in ancient Egypt is Seth's birthday oh wow since you're all talking about Jesus we'll talk about Seth's birthday in the helical Rising is Sirius so right about now the Nile will anyways yep and right about now the Nile is going to end away in Egypt um in ancient times is when they set the markers and it would flood the crocodiles would come out you could wrestle them down if you're into sobec have sex with the crocodiles
There are stories of that you had to flip them over on their backs and they also wanted to collect the oil from the crocodiles to get the fats to anoint the mesh so you got mosh and Mist Moss is to be pulled down water like Moses floating in water and mesh to anoint and it's the crocodile fat and yeah so over the next couple days would be ancient rituals in Egypt celebrating that stuff serious set crocodiles
You wouldn't believe you wouldn't believe how many recipes I've read that have some kind of crocodile feces is a component and can I just ask you know on the Greek side the creightons were able to make this device that you could put a person inside of it and then a bowl could come and copulate with it and they could enjoy the copulation is that kind of the spirit of what the alligator orgy was was or what that's wild you know
Think about this too I'd like to add hippopotamuses as well they would use their dung for a contraceptives um and and the crocodile dung they would put the crocodile dung inside the vagina and had a certain pH and if they added Acacia it had a certain lactic acid that acted as a spermicide
You know they also used the album dung as well but an elephant dungs in Egypt grew a psilocybin mushrooms that they would take wow now we're getting sexy sexy well that also brings up that scholar you found Dion that takes it even a step further and was showing that or at least he's making the claims that these texts were in some of these uh death rites they were taking the bodies hanging them to dry and allowing mushrooms to grow from the bodies and then consuming the mushrooms that were cultivated off the bodies whoa I wonder how I wonder if
There's if there's like DMT content in that it's Lee the author Lee put put out the book and of course you've got you got many authors when they put out this information their lives change I'm sure I'm a guitarist this uh that's the the blessings of discovering stuff you you get in trouble with the academic community so there's a list of authors that it's hard to find this stuff and what he was talking about it's just in ancient Egypt Book of the Dead they talked about it's
In a necropolis it's a a death Cult of ancient Egypt and they would embalm that's what the embalmers and Jesus that's about mummification and in in Egypt it was a science that's why we watched these Return of the mummy movies because we want to see The Mummy it's coming back to life and so they're into the dead and they're into bringing the dead back and they're into mushrooms and when they're slicing the body you could put mushroom spores into the body and it'll fruit it happens on logs it happens on animals
There's a certain in Australia there's a certain type of mushroom that fruits off of uh what is it antelopes dead antelopes or deer and they sprout out because the body it's like compost it's a if you're a gardener that's why they put a fish underneath the roots and they plant a fish and then put their seeds and then it grows so it's a fruiting body it's compost and that's what the human body can do that's what came that's why Cain said he was just going out to Garden when Abel
Disappeared you know maybe it was just compost sear yeah no seriously I don't know but what about the drugs um that are so prevalent that's that are going on notice that we're talking about mushrooms and it's just like okay it's accepted so does it surprise anyone when the dragon is eating the aborted fetus
Right does it surprise anyone did you know what you can get from a woman's abortion would it surprise you that you can get something healthy from a woman's abortion
Is blood is the cop she says take my blood right that Christian that Christian blood of Jesus that's late late late late because the original blood is coming from her so yeah yeah and what about those hermaphrodite prophecies we need what's going on with that too right well you you talked about this in your lady Babylon episode right it all comes back to fanez who's that image of the material right um and he's that by gender like by gendered being because so much of the mystery is about returning back to that one you have to recognize that Unity of being right
Yeah I want to get that communion too right we all do we're all looking for that communion um Dion would you eat would you eat mushrooms off of off a corpse in order to enter into the rights that will allow you to have oracles to see the Dead I mean this sounds like a pretty good stuff does it I mean like is it just mirrors this just medicine for you know ELO's Indians baby I joined the mycological research Society years ago
Um I'm into mushrooms they could do a lot mushrooms can also save the planet you know you got oil spills there's mushrooms that can remediate oil spills there's mycelium underneath the the our country that's one third of the country I think is the largest my silicone mycelium strand
Mycelium is special even before you get mushrooms mushrooms are just the fruiting body of the mycelium the mycelial network the real magic the biggest organism on the planet but they used to think it was a lot of the blue whale was that in the ocean because they're so [\\h__\\h] gigantic but they found out that nah in the Northwest there's a one body of mycelium that's like a mile [\\h__\\h] long or some [\\h__\\h]
Yeah it's it's much larger it's the plane maker so it's it used to be nothing but forests from where I live in Ontario All the Way South to Florida but all that got turned into the Great Plains you know by mushroom buy one yeah
And it creates a new ecosystem and they were they were doing tests in China and they're like they're giving oats they're like putting like Trails of oats and the mycelium was like finding the oats in the most um efficient and fastest way to get all the oats in the shortest amount of time so the mycelium has some sort of intelligence going on oh heavily when you know that spores can survive in a vac Limitless environment they can bond to solar waves and live in outer space land on a planet
In fruit I think how do you think we all got here sperm of Saturn right there you just mentioned well you know I mean Carl Ruck talks about this quite a bit where he makes these images of Dionysus as both the vine and the mushroom you know when lightning strikes what happens mushrooms come out of the lightning strike and you have a dying Rising God right the fruit and then it magically returns they often grow up Vines too exactly they often grow on the vine especially
Give the uh really the fruit and don't pick it and just let it sit it'll end up becoming mushrooms and fungus
Can you believe what you could get imagine walking through Rome at her height and walking through the marketplace and you could get drugs of any kind from anywhere toxins poisons this will do this to you this will make you go to sleep thistle can you imagine having that capacity people having that freedom to say okay I'm gonna take this substance and he just told me what I do with it put in water and do this and go home right but not just the not just the nice ones the ones that'll kill you and the law is if you kill anybody else with
Something that's a foul if you kill yourself well that's your choice so what kind of Freedom do we think you know people say the fastest come from Rome come on man these children of Venus understood they understood that there has to be a certain Bach at freedom and yeah um I want to know this mushroom this parent this U.S my giant U.S mushroom that was has been here for so long you know what I mean wouldn't you want to as a member of the Planet wouldn't you want another
Mushroom I don't know maybe it's good for you maybe we wouldn't have so many shootings or something you know what I mean if you could if you could get some idiot early who was gonna go out and do something violent because he was pissed off and you took him to a temple and you dust him with mushrooms and had sex with him he might come out of it saying oh you know life's not so bad you know what what the hell is wrong with that right well this brings us back to like a previous episode makes me think of what
We were talking about the theater and all this stuff and what a lot of these rights there were about was about establishing democracy about creating better people right about coming together as a police to survive through the extremities of like your situation anytime they did these rights was when they were at war or when there was famine you know it was all about bonding and creating better people this is where like democracy is bakic right you know Plato was not for democracy
It's purification you said it snappy the whole point of the Republic was to say the dirty democracy look at Perez he went down with Perez all those weird bakkens they were doing all these weird things and everybody everybody's walking around the city drinking and [\\h__\\h] we're clean and pure we're we you know we're we need a republic we need a king a philosopher king and he is going to be chosen by God he's going to tell everybody what to do and so like they basically think out what ends up
Becoming the Roman like the ideal or Roman Empire State basically like Plato just lays it out what what ends up becoming so yeah one thing that also sticks with me I keep thinking about like if we look at our near relatives like look at the bonobo chimps and how they manage their society they have regular like bi-weekly Mass orgies where everyone engages you know and they're doing the most vital stuff you know all of these like the most vital stuff imaginable but there's one thing that they don't abide and that is you don't
Pull your weight and you don't abuse your partner so the men who do this they get ostracized and it's the women who who are in control because they choose who gets laid you know and a lot of these rights seem to be this primordial human thing this this uh this past where the women were the were the were the powers that be and they did it through their sexuality you know oh speaking of mycelium can you uh full screen me real quick okay
Let's see here it's pretty small yeah I'm trying to make it full screen I'm just not 100 sure how I do that we got the three dots on my corner yeah there we go I can't read it it's still pretty pretty blurry what does it say Neil oh it says my celium oh amazing mycelium and lion's mane I'll take three a day dude clears your head out clears the fog out lion's mane is good for you Lions made quarter sets Raichu mataki shiitake this is pure
Mycelium and Lion's man that's it you're all into this kind of stuff you know and a lot of doing this medicine isn't that a nootropic lines mean it it's called neutral yeah it's considered a neutral yeah it generates uh new brain cells and helps with nerve damage and memory and it's good yeah I've used it you microdose the psilocybin with it and then you take some niacin 10 minutes later and it can help repair nerve damage and uh it is it works well it's helped me
So uh just to bring this back to Revelation it it occurs to me like I mean John is or whoever wrote it is condemning pharmacia at one point but he also seems to be taking his own in theogen of choice and so there's like a he's condemning the Heretics for doing the wrong drugs at some time and then he's like you guys got to get back on the good stuff or something I don't know that was my impression at kind of uh reading between the lines
Which is that uh I would I would agree with that and say in the text itself um she is blamed right the great um she who holds the cup herself the lady Babylon um who upon whose forehead is written mystery right
If that's not the embodiment of the mystery nothing is right but she is portrayed as having that cup and using those drugs she is that Fatma kiss she is the she is the witch right but what's funny is the taxes acknowledging that she's the source of the communion so as you're reading John you get this constant contradiction that it's almost like somebody has taken an earlier prophecies
And is even using earlier orphic phrases like the one who is and was and will be I will tell you what is what was and what will be on is an orphic expression and John is co-opting these he didn't nobody notice that he calls him the Ponto crator right and how these are titles these are actually titles that are used earlier and he's located in the ionic sphere of the of the realm of the record room like where the ionians are at he's from you know originally it wasn't John of Patmos
Everyone said it was John the Beloved and what always strikes me about John the Beloved is that he was said to have destroyed the Temple of Artemis at Ephesus and then to have disappeared because he lives forever but Mary dies at Ephesus and she's buried there and we know that Ephesus this is the heart the the absolute heart of the of the of kyberley worship of art you know of that of that mother God is called it's one of the seven wonders of the ancient world
It's such a big deal brilliant Point Snappy brilliant point you know so it's all coming out of this place right it's clearly of this origin character and you know what beloved means right John you know what that means he's on the Beloved that's the John is the one who was John was a young boy when Jesus was in his 30s that's why that's why John's writing this in the 90s he's an old man now he was a young boy when Jesus was alive do the math a beloved if you know if you
Know ancient Greek I'm one of those what I'm saying right now anyone who's a beloved of somebody is the you you lay on their lap you have sometimes sometimes sexual [\\h__\\h] going on that's a beloved in the Greek world you have a the the Elder and the Beloved if you're called someone's beloved that's what that means and it's relationship
Arcadeus was the or Socrates was the Beloved of archeles they said when he was a young child like this is the normal thing that happens in the Greek world and so you get called The Beloved that's what that means that's the context well I remember when we were digging into the naked boy and Dion used to talk about this because when we were digging into the naked boy we kept coming up with John the Beloved but he's always described as an adult in a lot of these texts you know but he is the only
One who physically touches Jesus right yeah John doesn't John also have a a servant who's this I think Neil will you tell me about that servant is this a boy or who is this guy which one John who wrote the supposedly wrote The Apocalypse yeah once John gets older
He gets his epaphroditus is that's his yeah so he also I mean that's how it works though that's how the Mysteries work now now you find an initiate that's your beloved you teach them the Mysteries so then they teach it down that's how you get Christianity from it so Neil basically what you're getting at and I thought this but part of me recoiled at this thought because you know I love the orphic Vox but his Orpheus to blame is he the one who corrupt the mystery does
He make it about raping children and about this like negative [\\h__\\h] is he the one who first profanes it and Jesus was kind of following in his footsteps I would say yes but I also wouldn't take away from orthy from the work Orpheus laid like the the as a theologian before he was sent to death by Dionysus before all that all that's legit that's Orpheus the Theologian you know telling the stories of the ancient world none of that should be should be ignored or nullified because of what happened
Because it was fate so yeah I'm going to say yes to that question oh just to begin with Heracles because doesn't Heracles have his Ganon need does it begin with Zeus right this is what I don't under you know it's all over the place nah you know what you guys are talking about beloved John I just want to throw that in again since I heard mushrooms earlier uh
Sons of thunder and there's books out that they posit that deals with mushrooms and the Beloved John could call down Thunder he asked Jesus you want me to call down Thunder and you're like no no no you don't have to do that and then the mom commands them and then the Beloved John commands Jesus says Hey I want to see what you in heaven and he goes well you gotta drink the same cup and he says I will drink that same cup fast forward to the garden and Jesus is sitting there with the angel going hey I
Don't want to drink the cup I don't want to drink the cup well guess what beloved John is there in every step of the way he was having the best yeah steal the donkey go steal the donkey go give me that donkey set it's his birthday today comes back with the donkey he's there at the Garden don't fall asleep and go into temptation while I go off with a little boy they used to follow me around that shows up in the cloth The Mummy cloths you know John's there
He's the only person that's allowed in at the courtroom because of his connection to the high priest the Beloved John beloved John is there at the crucifixion when Jesus says from the cross hey Mary this is your new son beloved John he's there the whole step of the way that's the lover and it's a twin you've got to understand this deals with mushrooms and also with twins the twin symbology the hermaphrodite he's very feminine if you look at the the artist's representations of the Beloved John I'll pull it up right now yeah
Um like I said deals with twins you got a masculine twin and a feminine twin that's because these patriarchal societies just couldn't have a male and female so let's have two dudes and one can be feminine well yeah caster and Pollux were called the sons of thunder as well snappier on mute
Here the these these these artists knew this is the common knowledge so like this is one artist out of probably 500 that have depicted an image that looks something like this the Beloved and Jesus young boy on his shoulder laying on his like like a like a like a lover and this is not there's not just one of these I I challenge the whoever's watching this look it up there's probably 500 images like this oh yeah and if you see the most interesting ones he'll have an alabastron in his hand
Which looks like a scroll but it's an alabastron and there's even there's even something interesting we did in an episode a while back which was uh oh was it Zachariah I gotta remember who it was one of the Patriarchs and in order our Zebedee in order for him to make a uh oath with the slave the slave had to go between his legs and touch his thigh and go down on him and it's this active call touching the thigh as a covenant look at this one and so there's there's lots of uh stories in the Bible where you got to get down between somebody's thighs
Touching the feet washing the feet they got him on a drug passed out right now look he's sleeping at the table who does that well we also got to understand this wouldn't be like the sleeping thing at the table you got to look at those old school orgy tables that the Romans had where they're laying flat on these tables in order to Gorge themselves that's really what Jesus would be sitting on but with all of this screams to me is if you look at John he's
Beardless this is a very key thing and he's the only one of the apostles who appears beardless that's because the Galloway are always beardless right the followers of atagistis are always beardless right and there's all this big debate with the scholars about whether or not that you have an Addus in phrygia but I think we do because we see these young men figures who are beardless always with kyberly you know so
And these young figures drink from a cup a lot of the time whether it's ganymy getting that tansy or but what do we know what's really in these drinks they're drinking notice they're those episodes about the estrogenics
Notice all those young boys Dion are the uh are the cup Bears right they're the ones who bring the nectar they're the source of the nectar yeah you're no you're way on it so they hold the cup and they're the source of what's inside the cup as well yes and you can drink from their anus we have it in the priapaya and they used to refer to the cup of Ganymede and that is drinking out of his rectum
It's the cup the cup of they call it the cup of cornea too if she has the pornea right and she's giving that blood the same right can apparently be replicated with a boy's anus take your golly and work on them right uh hey I'm just I'm just reporting what's in the text right I mean it's there's horses that's all that's all we're doing
Well do you want to talk about that because you looked into when we were looking at um there's that biblical figure who who um he's with a what was that character Dion when we were talking about this who they're turning the boys into oracles and then the one guy doesn't want to get castrated
Um I'm trying to remember oh it sounds like something wasn't it Daniel well
Not for sure because he doesn't want to he tells him I don't want to do it and and so they do a trick because he doesn't want to write so what the king says they bring the units in front of them are the three the four boys which are very beautiful boys effeminine boys and he says
Process where you're gonna eat these certain foods and drinks and Daniel towels what's his name it's the nose is it Shadrach I'm thinking no Shadrach is his buddy and then the nose is uh it's a Persian name because it means the horse's nose listen to this though first of all Daniel has no Offspring never married he was a slave in the time in the Persian Empire when if you were a slave to to the um the highest King of Kings you had to be a eunuch this is in all the texts you can't go around the king's uh
Wife without being a eunuch so that's right and Hezekiah is descendants um Second Kings 2018 indicates that some of hezekiah's descendants would one day be taken from Israel to serve in the Palace of King of Babylon as eunuchs and it says Daniel your descendants your own flesh and that blood will be born to you will be taken away and they will become eunuchs in the place of the king of Babylon Daniel Prof or fulfills that it's a prophecy that Daniel fulfills Daniel is the chief eunuch
Oh yeah and the guy he's trained from is called ashpanas yes ashpanaz is the king of the eudics the prince of the eunuchs and he puts them through a training program a two-year training program and he even has to he tries to skimp out on it because he knows we're going to cut him he knows he has to take to certain diet and so he he even he falls in love with the marshmallon Daniels he doesn't give him all the stuff and Daniel tells them don't worry just bring me in front
Of the the king and he won't care and the King's like ah you look good so he passes anyways you know when it's it years later those Shadrach and the other three eunuchs they put him into the fire to try to burn them you know they they supposedly for some reason they don't burn and it goes back to this story of putting people into fire to burn them to burn off their immortality and that deals with Zoroastrianism baptism through fire that deals with the ball putting the baby over the fire that deals with the Slavic uh kapala ceremony
Kapala jumping over the fire Magi in the Indian being burned you know you see this imagery of the women also you know it's usually the the female being burned and there's also all of this writes about the tree right that this is something that I was noticing that blows my mind the trees are described as gods and they're described as virgins and then there's set Ablaze so are these virgins are they real virgin sacrifices or are these trees being burned you know it makes you wonder about Moses's
Burning bush too you know what I mean it's made from acacia yeah we know what happens with acacian searing roof you combine them each on their own it's good enough but if you come on in them boom boom and they were using Acacia in Egypt as a um spermicide inside the vagina and it activates lactic acid everywhere
Oh yeah in different ways you can extract that you know I think Neil loves his Acacia from what I understand he drinks it puts it on his body the one thing I wanted to to bring up we're going to be having Chris Bennett on the next witch's Symposium which is going to be fantastic um marijuana activist uh researcher historian but one of the things that that I always was when I was looking at this stuff about these trees being described as virgins and being said Ablaze what if it's marijuana it's not
Fruiting you know like what if it's a plant that's not producing fruit that's a virgin tree you know like what if there's I think this is a drug reference even this right
It's like the smoke is you know copnabates right and all of the connection with the those who read through the smoke and whatnot people don't realize all of the different you and I all all five of us could go down to the Roman marketplace we get the right drugs we could take them to the right bath and we could enter into the right fumigations that we could all come out of it much better people I don't understand why this stuff is like so to go back to Revelation Ammon now that we're talking about drugs okay and you
Brought this up so when you were analyzing Revelation 17 you talked about how the ten horns and were were drug parts and they were you know there weren't enough horns to match up to the dragon heads and we see the same image happening with the shoes clothed in sunlight and then there's also all this talk about how we will know five of the drugs she will be one of the drugs and then there's another that will be revealed or something what is going on with all these drugs
Right remember your care your main characters are all drug related that Beast it doesn't it it's the same word that they're using at the same time roughly contemporary or in the mid first century
Um for the um activity right whatever the drug is doing um so yeah are they the beast when you say on a beast you and I hear beast beast beast and immediately were bombarded bombarded with [\\h__\\h] images and pastors perpetuate this priests perpetuated and it's crap from the 19th century and it has no it has no um no connection with the original you go to something on apocalypse or Revelation whatever you want to call it you go into a presentation they show you horrific monsters you're not in the right place right that theriac is a post
And those seals that it says they're breaking those are seals that you put up your anus to dissolve when you dissolve or break that seal the drug has its activity and you like John can go into the eremon where you can stand there and you can hear a voice talking to you which is what he says in the beginning these are these are drug rights that they're going through or you can just call it drug use in general so we don't see that in the text you don't see that unless you've been reading a [\\h__\\h] ton of ancient medicine and you come across
Words and you say oh my God this is a scientific vocabulary that's being used here in the book right that's the real you know that's the real that's underneath the [\\h__\\h] that somebody since I'm sorry if he's a bad word Snappy that somebody can stand up and can look at a passage where a dragon they don't even know what is with his scythian hair is drinking is entering into a moment of communion and drinking the blood of the Oracle herself and then going off to war
Yes and they can't see that they can't see any of the actual history people didn't stand around and worship monsters right these are people her Hercules is a person and what's going on in the background is just a reflection of that and I don't understand why it is the The Book of Revelation is so obscure not because it's an obscure book but because um we don't read it right you know what it is about Revelation in English you have never read the apocalypse if you've read it in English and that's it
The biggest Revelation from studying with you is that I never had read any of the Greek myths I never read a single one of them not just the Bible but not a single one of these Greek myths because it's the same exact thing right um I was talking with retch the other day and we were looking into the arminus boy these these tribal cyclopsis and then if you start digging into the Greek what do you find you find drug references and there's this herb that these people were said to be taking that would cause them when they gave birth to
Have children that were cyclopses you know and it caused this fusing of the brain so now we're wondering what were these drugs doing to these people that they were obsessed with them and how was it allowing them to find treasure you know because it's all coded language right yeah just to clarify that's from the book Legends of the caucuses by David Hunt it's not a Greek myth it's uh like the nart well it's not an Arts but it's from that same region it's kind of Blended there's many peoples or tribes
There you could I was gonna say I was gonna say you had me up until brain up until you say they fuse the brain because in the Greek side that Cyclops is the one who forges the lightning they are the one who is seeing within the lightning if you keep to the cult code the Cyclops is just a representation of the person who is entering into the fire
That's why Jesus says when your eye is single your whole body's full of light yeah I brought up so that the brain thing comes from because when wretch was looking into this he found a drug and one of the the the effects of this drug it could possibly cause you to have children who are born as literal cyclopsis and it could also cause damage to the brain where you no longer have a hemispherical brain you have one sphere you know so we were speculating what would that cause to a person you know
Would they be seeing the world in a different light you know because they're clearly obsessed with these drugs how do they transform a woman into or a girl into a Medusa right exactly what are they doing with the drugs did they have something to genetically play with the individual did they have all of these Venoms that they're talking about the seven heads the kefla they call them all these seven Venoms are used repeatedly handed down through time makes you wonder is it a special combination of toxins that does
Something like you're talking about Snappy that has some profound effect upon the individual these people were experimenting and working with stuff that today it was just you know there's no way we could do this well I think what we're getting at with a lot of these myths is we're we're getting different groups that are that are transforming themselves in different ways right we have the scythians with the fire red hair and the masculine women right we have these ominous boy we also have the gripes right like it's
Clear when you get into it that this this is these are not literal monsters in any sense that these are people who've transformed themselves you know always laugh I always laugh at the Sphinx that's a perfect example of what you're saying snap because everybody thinks the Sphinx is this crazy Camaro right no the Sphinx was a woman who had an army that would come down and pillage people and require so many sacrifices we want young boys between the ages of so-and-so and so and so right at the bloom of Life give us 12 of them or we're going to destroy your Countryside
Until you until you hand them over right she's going to keep harrowing everyone you have to right that's the whole deal this is not a this is not what is that Harry Potter and Dumbledore which is this is history right Bronze Age history if we I mean what is more historic than trying to grow mushrooms on a corpse and eat it to get High I mean that is that's gorgeous gorgeous you know what I mean and so is the Sphinx why they call it the Sphinx right another perfect example
Is when we look at all of these writings of these histories where they're talking about the people who are collecting the incense and they say that they're these flying serpents around the incense to me it's like they're taking the serpent Venom in order to fly right and there's a combination drug going on between this tree sap and this serpent Venom right this is not a literal flying snake you have people talking about like oh there must have been flying snakes in Africa no freaking way where they're flying
Snakes in Africa you know blind snakes in Africa I wish I would have saw some there I did see some weird stuff in Africa but not that but you know I'd like to bring it back to the Sphinx the sphincter ancient Egypt the Capstone um 12 times 17 is 204 which is the number of courses on the Great Pyramid the property which would be course number two and four which would be the great Capstone of the pyramid there's several books out that talk about Revelation deals with Egyptian numerology in terms
Of the you have 12 and 17 you have the seven and the ten making the seven the Seventeen Again um with the the horns and the heads uh the 17 is the entrance of the Great Pyramid the 17th step there's a lot of uh there's a few books out that I've got about Revelation relating to Egyptian ancient
Egyptian numerology and customs oh Jesus is definitely want to be Osiris and Isis he tries he's trying to be he's trying to kill two birds he's trying to be both you know and then we we got the um part in Revelation about uh eating the scroll and it's like a drug trip there well at you know the Egyptians used to use drug inks and then write their spells on Papyrus and then they you know soak it in water and drink the water or otherwise consume it so
There could be all kinds of things going on yes Ezekiel Ezekiel is eating the scroll
And it's good and there's a priestess in the PGM who um is that Dark Knight she's the pederast and or the great mother and she sticks that little scroll inside of her vagina pulls it out and then gives it offers it for the sake of the vision so if you don't see scientifically what's going on why there's why they're doing this I mean come on dude seriously you know let's wake up yeah so we got a question here from one of our good friends Nancy she wants to ask um all of us what about the keys that are
Mentioned in Revelation is this another drug reference
I'm gonna have to I'm gonna take that one because it's about drugs and I study drugs in Antiquity um there is no indication from the language itself that it's a drug reference I can't I'm not Nancy I'm not going to step out there you know I'm not going to step out there and say it unless I've got firm ground and there is no linguistic ground for me to stand on every time that I say the Beast is the theriac it's only because that's what the language is saying and they're the keys are the keys right so does it have
An ancient association with priesthoods and priestesses yeah all of that right so the opening of that is there something going on there I don't know but linguistically no no connection on my end with drugs
Do you know anything about the keys or have any thoughts on that rich uh well it seems uh it could be a mithric thing with Leon to sell Felina Peter holds the keys to heaven and uh which is kind of a mithric thing apparently so it's uh how they you need those keys to be able to call down the stars from Heaven I believe uh it's maybe not in Revelation where they that's in another part of the Bible but um where Peter's given the keys but the I mean there's there's a lot of keys do come up in a variety of places
So that it's kind of hard to really pin it down what's going on there you know we got hecatee who's the key Bearer that's one of our title sometimes as a reference for um custodians of of the of a priesthood so you're becoming a high priest of some sort of yeah it's it's the it's the correct interpretation of the mystical of the mystery symbolism is the keys is what I would say and also you got the hands of sabazzios the five hands have like five Keys sometimes
Depicted on them
All right there's not hands I meant one uh question that comes to my mind is so we got we got the woman clothed in the sun we got the horror of Babylon who is the Bride of the Lamb what's going on with her when it comes up if you want to know the the seminarian uh scholarly consensus
I don't think I agree with this but this is what everyone thinks the Bride of the Lamb is the saved Christian the saved Christians it's anyone who has the who's okay it's just the church yeah if your name's written in the book of life you are the bride
To me although that lamb imagery it Harkens back to the cult of kyberley that these are the eunuchs what do you think huh makes sense when I found when I first started reading apocalypse years ago and I found the arneon that they're all talking about it's lamb everybody's in this lamb lamb lamb lamb you can even see it in the freaking illustrations from the dominionists who were bringing a little picture of lamb bat
Um the funny thing is when I first found out that arnian is the name for lamb skin and it's can be a reference to a small piece of writing um it can be a reference to some kind of indictment that's written on a skin
Um all of a sudden the the Holy song okay if we're talking about Mysteries this is the mystery that Holy song is the very centerpiece it's why the dragon guards it because it's got her voice on it and everybody knows in the mystery her voice is more powerful than the drugs so is there a reason they call it the arneon you know what the dragon guards he guards that lambskin you know right that stick is it back to Medea right you can also argue I think
You can also argue that the lamb is a similar symbol of baby of of zagreus zagreus because Dionysus is the goat but also zagarius can be the lamb right yeah and by the way John the robotic jump everyone everyone agrees that John out of the four main gospels is the most botic you get the Divine imagery my I am the True Vine my father is the husband with the Scythe in his hand like Saturn you get all that imagery and that's the one where you get
All the lamb [\\h__\\h] in two so it's it's probably it could be some they could be borrowing from the bakkick Mysteries and applying it to Jesus he's the lamb now he's the thought he's the True Vine now
Yeah you see the same imagery associated with Addis as well right um talking about from the Roman side and actually Clement of Alexandria even makes that direct connection to this lamb imagery so you know there's a lot of this going on I think what it is is like we're seeing both right like a lot of these myths have multiple levels of meaning and one meaning is this but it's also clearly like it's the spell right the song because the song perpetuates all of this right you know and it is the key thing that we're missing otherwise
In the image because where else would it fit you know what an appropriate place what an appropriate appropriate place to come back to though because that again that rain root is the same root that we get in Aradia right and our idea so um everything that is in this text is placed there for a reason do I think we can say symbolically what's happening no I don't want to do the symbols I just want the actual what's the dust underneath the surface you know what I
Mean yeah the text that's all I'm I'm gonna stick to that text and there's a lot of sex there's a lot of drugs and there's a lot of the universe turning around a mystery that is a sex Resurrection so yeah there's one thing
Though about this whole thing that that stands out to me and that I'm trying to understand is what's going on with this 666 in Nero because I don't think that that can't be a hundred percent true what is the real imagery behind this or was there like a cult of Nero that was trying to bring them back I'll explain it to you right now it's this is you know so in in Greek Nero neuron Kaiser
Is a German tree of 666. yeah I want to know there's more to this image though a Jerome takes the same exact passage in Latin and he changes the number to 616 so you know it's just a it's a it's a germatria thing
However but 666 relates to Helios right when we go back so I went and I started looking at some of the um not the gamachia but the Greek it's about the sun about the divine child to come and is related to Helios real quick let me say something real quick there is um the um Persephone and what's his name Adonis have to split the underworld I had to split the time of the Underworld for six months each and um perception he took six bites of the pomegranate so you have a six a six and a six and connected with the underworld
Yeah it's this image of flipping the poles again it's this Duality thing again and it's this child of the sun again I think right I dug up I dug up saying this door once because I have no freaking clue I do know that there's two different manuscript Traditions that one of them has um six one six and the other has 666. so I know there's that literal dispute from whatever but um I the only thing I ever found even slightly related to this because so many
Christians are trying to guess they're trying to find it what is the 666. I only found one satisfying answer um Saint is a doer tells us the number of the Antichrist is the equivalent I'm not talking I'm not talking um using numbers to represent using letters to represent numbers the Rome the Greeks and Romans are doing this from time immemorial right a alpha is One beta is two what I'm talking about is he says the name is the equivalent of Ammon and I thought that was cool
Because I thought that's I kind of like taking the now why he made that conclusion he doesn't say right he's not asking I know why because I'm on is the very image of the of the uh opposition
To the judeo-christian religion he's the horned God that kicked the Jews out of Israel that's the they don't get that in the Bible that's that's the historical memory that all these sources are talking about that Amon caused the plague and kicked the hexas out of Israel or out of out of Egypt and everyone knows everyone knew that it's a centacitus it's in a it's in a whole bunch of sources uh Plutarch writes about this so that's why Almon is the devil because he's the horn God who
Doesn't like the Jews period but it's also a similar thing we see with this incarnating figure it's the Emin is representative of the Dragon you know I think also right and you see all kinds of characters called Ammon across history and they're always doing a similar kind of thing you know almond took the form of a dragon and mated with olympias mother of Alexander just like
Zeus took the form of a dragon and mated with the Korra yeah and to produce as we all know and that the word is actually an ancient chant for invoking something immense amen like that's what blue Tark thinks that's where you get the Amin from yes yes could am on be associated with the little beast who has the horns and the tongue of a dragon then who speaks on behalf of the big beast what's this what's this other Beast little beast guy about I wonder did you ever notice did you ever notice
Where that Beast stands he stands on the water doesn't he on the shore right on the shore you know what he stands on he stands on the hamon or the Ammon it's an aspirate excuse me on the Ammon which is their word for sand right like beach sand or Shore sand that's where that Beast arises right so yeah is it gorgeous one thing I want to ask you about is this imagery the mark of the beast because it's been standing out to me lately because when I was looking into
The golly they're described as being heavily tattooed you know and I'm wondering what are these tattoos I really love just thought of something sorry I had to say this yeah the da gamma we forgot about the dye gamma the three dice gamma and six involve and by the way this is this is a weird coincidence because um Satanism and luciferianism is about like you know knowledge they're eating from the Tree of knowledge of Good and Evil becoming like a god right and then the internet which is supposed to be
Satanic and evil because it's all this knowledge and all this Antichrist stuff coming off the internet what do you got to type in to go on any website you gotta type in www which equates to 666
No matter what language you want to use it in it's 666. Hebrew or Greek now that's interesting for sure right no there's definitely that relates to this language of the Dragon the dag gamma right it brings us back to that primordial pulaskian as well you know and I think there's also has something to do with these tattoos because the tattoos are described as writing so this takes me back to that question what's going on with these tattoos Ammon it's the mark and notice that they're not odd
Um Jesus has his people do the same thing people are always telling me I got fundamentalist family members telling me that Mark don't take those marks there's the mark of the devil that you're gonna have to say hey I want to tell them you're going to have to take the mark of Jesus where's your Jesus pretty soon right right
Well just to let you guys know I have almond tattooed right there that's my last name is it really oh that's awesome I didn't even know awesome amazing
That's dope that totally rocks that totally rocks Dion I think you're were you ever a rock star at any time because I get this kind of feeling you know what I mean I I tried it didn't happen
You were rock star adjacent you know you told me some pretty damn cool story you want to know what my biggest stage performance was was 40 000 people and I played Congress for Puff the Magic Dragon with Peter Paul and Mary and Peter Paul and Mary you're like 50 feet away from me and I never met him damn you opened up did you get did you get contact high from all the hippies because that is like a thing you know it was like a religious moment and it was because I had met uh
I had met Richie Havens or doc what's his name up yeah Richie Havens then I jammed out with them and he says hey you're pretty good you should go meet these homies and go play with Peter Paul and Mary and he took me over to the stage and I went up there and jammed out damn
Was that paradise was that like heaven what were you thinking while you were doing it said you Puff the Magic Dragon that's an amazing thing this is kind of what I want to end on story that's a life fulfilled story right there right you had your moment in the sun that's that's beautiful but we're gonna wind down here since we're coming up close to the two hour mark and I don't want to keep people for too long you know Ammon has classes to teach and we all have places to be but let's just
Kind of summarize what we've been talking about here because this is super important right we're not trying to dismiss what other people are saying about the myths but we want to make it clear that there is an orphic reading that there's this prevalent symbolism that we see that is connected to this primordial
Um transformative right it's death and rebirth ceremonial wedding and we didn't even mention it reflected constantly throughout the European and Mediterranean world we didn't even mention we didn't even mention that the C thasala and Thanatos and Hades are all
Brought up with Saturn and put in front and they're cast into the seat that's orphic those are all orphic those are all gods that are invoked in the orphic Mysteries so John's trying to say we're going to win over the over or Thanatos and Saturn and Hades he's basically that's basically what he's trying to say he's wrong they're trying to create their own absolute tyranny right that seems to be what's going on through all of these rights they want to create their own patriarchal hegemony you know
And I think what like what Emin was saying is that this story is really a history it is not an apocalypse about the future it's a description of what happened with Jesus Christ and how he was basically both sacrificed and punished for his abuses of children and he becomes this image that we see this dead Orpheus right yep
Well said uh Hallelujah to that right how we all want to praise and worship Jesus Christ the man I got nothing to add to that I stood in public park at 4am with a naked boy exactly love it love it right so does anyone else has anything else we want to end off on or any comments you want to make about apocalypse
I think we're pretty good so I'll give everyone just one last word you want to leave us with something um we'll start with you Dion stay blessed have fun enjoy life that's what the apocalypse is for 100 is to enjoy life right it's to reveal and it's to upset the status quo so those who are on the bottom are no longer oppressed we need to flip the polls every once in a while to keep this stupid world working right all right how about you uh Neil do you have any last
Words for us I'd say get up at dawn and go watch Lucifer and go behold go check out Lucifer once in a while he's he's there every day he's you know he comes and visits you know we're all sleeping in go get up early one day and go go see Lucifer in the morning right and next time there's a new moon go look for uh for the goddess Venus she'll be the brightest thing in the Stars right
All right Rich do you have anything to leave us with well we got all of these uh ancient texts talking about the oh they got their own ideas about the one true religion I just want to say if you know the sacrament you don't you don't need the priest you don't need the religion you can forge your own connection to the gods so I just want to encourage people to uh DIY
Right notice that a lot of these ancient cultures there was a separation between the rights and philosophy you know the the rights were just the how this stuff worked philosophy was where we debated morality and we created religion you know you can do that for yourself so um Ammon any last words to leave us with on our apocalypse Journey here yeah I want to say thank you to your audience that you know is giving us their time to sit and partake in this kind of salon
And this kind of discussion I I'm honored to be here with you people and I'm not wearing underwear
All right everyone thank you so much for tuning bin uh which is symposium and next week we're going to be doing a very special episode where we're going to be talking with a good friend of wretches and a special guest um Chris Bennett who's a marijuana activist author and historian so that'll be great so tune in for that everyone and uh hail Satan Satan